Aizen vs Madara debunk

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Hello everyone, this is Shinigami with some more debunks to bring to you. When I look at a YouTube video, I usually try to find some new facts and things I missed out on my first time reading a series, like the MCU power scaling videos for example, where they point out certain details and feats I never gave much thought into, and as everyone knows, I am passionate towards Bleach. However not every video will be good, there are some waste of time videos, like ones that get facts wrong or are just repeating what we already know. But this video right here, Madara Uchiha vs Sosuke Aizen by Fast Fictional Fights is THE definition of a horrible video.

https://youtu.be/5S0ILwWVPOg

It has everything, bad research, a terrible cohost, jokes that make DB's comedy look good, terrible representation on both sides, just repeats stuff we already know without giving anything new to the table, it has everything for a bad video. Now this isn't about me trying to say who I think wins, I already gave my thoughts on this match up, I personally think Aizen wins with no difficulty, but this isn't about that, the representation on both Aizen and funnily enough Madara was just horrible, so lets begin.

Now right away at the beginning at the video I was able to get some Naruto biases right away and I was like "Is Madara gonna win?", Aizen had the red screen on him when he appeared and Noodles a Naruto power scaler was chosen... so we already got biases on this sumbitch.

Madara's analysis:

Okay so they are starting off with EMS Madara, the one that fought Hashirama (remember that), now he should be pretty easy to scale, scaling him to characters like KCM Naruto and stuff, so lets see what they will do right off the bat... and he scales Madara above Raikage and shows a google translated version of the Databook scan.... dude, learning the language and translating it with Google isn't the same thing, like legitimately, a friend of mine who actually speaks Japanese states that the scan itself is actually a mistranslation and doesn't translate to light at all, so whilst it would become a battle of translations and see which one is more reliable, the fact that a person who speaks the language actually looked at it and said it was wrong... yeah, I would have personally used Itachi's Water Bullets that are in fact stated to be light speed, and we know Kakashi can react to it but he couldn't keep up with Itachi hand signs. Now for both of the calcs, I haven't seen the Minato one myself, but the Naruto blitzing the Raikage one is actually massive wank, because the calc assumes that the Raikage didn't move in a point A to B, but the scans contradict it by showing he did in fact have a point A to point B to move from, which actually decreased Naruto's speed, anywhere from 11 times light speed to 29 times light speed, the fact that they didn't show the calc does show that they knew it was pretty easy to debunk. I should point out real quickly that the "East Shattering destructive power" statement is actually a mistranslation, its actually just referring to society, and the "reducing the world to ashes", its actually a life wiping feat, referring to society as well, especially since none of the Bijuu Bombs from below 10 Tails are actually reaching multi continental levels of power, outside of one calc that is actually all the Bijuu put together, the best Kurama has was a large country level calc, but its not enough to be planetary.

I think that the stats should have gone in further detail, because I think they didn't argue enough or provide enough things to actually say that they are correct in their stats scaling, especially with some feats contradicting some statements, mistranslations and more.

Now for Madara's hax and abilities: Right away when they said Madara was the only one capable of putting the Nine Tails under a Genjutsu, ignore Obito exists lol. Now as someone who is getting into scaling Naruto, I have a problem with that Tsukuyomi statement, saying that its an infinite sized reality projected in people's heads, the problem comes from the idea that "is the infinite part meant to be literal?", and I don't think so, because they say "the victim finds themselves in strange world of infinity", so the narrator is describing what the victim is experiencing whilst under the Genjutsu, so couldn't the infinite part meant to be like... lets say I randomly threw someone in the middle of a forest, the person would think the forest is infinite due to how big it is, so couldn't it be the same case for Tsukuyomi? The infinite Itachi clones isn't much either, could be as well just Itachi making so many clones that the victim can view it as infinite, as for the Infinite Tsukuyomi, an interesting detail not mentioned is that it literally doesn't work on souls, we see that it blatantly doesn't, as it didn't work on the Edo Tenseis, like Kishimoto goes out of his way to show it. Izanami is actually pretty useless, because he said it himself, Madara needs to sacrifice one of his eyes to use the Jutsu, so all that Aizen has to do is kill Madara 3 times and he wins, he doesn't explain anything beyond that, how its gonna be useful for example when he already admitted a downfall to the Jutsu.

Also, kinda funny how they say they are using Madara from the battle against Hashirama then say they are using Sage Mode Madara THEN they show 6 Paths Mode Madara when he had none of those in the battle against Hashirama. Also, this segment feels rushed, they say that the TSO can kill immortal zombies which are the Edo Tensei but don't go into much detail beyond that, I mean they should know that it existence erasures, power nulls and shit, but they don't explain much, also Light Fang will be useless and it could have been replaced with something more worthwhile like the Rinnegan.

Aizen's analysis: Just wanna say right away that they gave some Bleach hate that actually pissed me off, bleach if anything is better written than Naruto, at least Ichigo's backstory doesn't spawn as many plot holes as Naruto's backstory, and Bleach does have detailed backstories and it has entire flashback arcs happening (the Turn Back the Pendulum arc is an entire mini flashback arc on its own and explains in detail how the Soul Society was 100 years before the first arc even).

Also Aizen has arguments for being the smartest, but he is 2nd smartest at best, he admitted Kisuke is smarter, Aizen is smarter than Yhwach, Mayuri, Yamamoto, Byakuya, all these characters who have great iq feats of their own and he does scale to some of Kisuke's feats, but he is not the smartest.

Now, despite the flaws, notice how detailed the Madara section was, they went over Raikage's speed, provided calculations and more, like the Madara section went over for about 8 minutes. Now does Aizen get the same treatment? No, they just say "light speed Cero, Bala is 20 times faster, done and good", there are calcs for Ulquiorra reaching over 62 times light speed, Shunsui dodges a Cero which is 74 times light speed and Aizen up scales from all of them, and if you want, argue that Aizen is trillions of times light speed due to Gremmy. If you wanna apply the same logic to Madara, than he is just vaguely faster than light, and Aizen is vaguely higher than 20 times light speed.... but I guess we can't do either option provided, because that will put Bleach>Naruto and this is a pro Naruto video lol. As for abilities now, literal under representation of Kyoka Suigetsu, yes it doesn't work on blind people but for the weakness that you need to grab Aizen's sword, its kind of implied that he doesn't have it anymore, Yhwach tried that and it didn't cancel out Kyoka. As for the Hogyoku, again its stated numerous times that no weapon in the Soul Society can kill Aizen, you can even make arguments that even the 0 Division can't kill him, and they all have existence erasure based techniques that they can use (Mayuri studied every Bankai from every officer and he said no weapon can kill Aizen, Kisuke states that its impossible to kill Aizen and we know he has knowledge of the 0 Division and this statement was made after the Final Getsuga Tensho was used and it was said in the DataBooks to surpass everything in the verse, Shunsui states that if he could kill Aizen he would have done so already and Central 46 state that Aizen is immortal despite the fact they have the Sogyoku) so the immortality is more than likely mid godly regeneration or even higher than that. NOW we are going over Aizen's ap and now the vagueness has reached the peak, they do say that Aizen is stronger than all of the Espada combined, but they are vague about it, does that mean Aizen is above a bunch of human level fodder or above a bunch of archetypical boundless beings? I know how strong the Espada are, but what about the young Bleach fan and Naruto fans who don't know about Aizen's scaling? When you actually need a Bleach person to scale Aizen for ya. Also, Aizen didn't break out of Shinji's mind hax, he more so adapted to it.

Also, not going into detail about the Hogyoku? Sure.

The fight... I got nothing to say about it because I am way better at illustrating a fight than they can. Not capping, I can do it if I wanted to.

The conclusions: Saying that there are Bleach wankers who claims uni+ Aizen based on vague anime statements? Bruh you don't even know the arguments! Like shut the fuck up already! Also, literally uni+ Bleach is more consistent than Naruto, just now they are going back to being planet level, but in Bleach there is a statement Aizen is creating universes, Gremmy creating universes as well, Yhwach affecting universes, the 4th dimensional Ichigo and Aizen things, Ichigo surpassing everything in Mugetsu, Sogyoku overwhelming everything in existence, Yamamoto destroying the universe, and several more, and its more consistent as well. The conclusions are like "There is this in Bleach but Naruto got the same thing" and don't explain in detail, like Kakashi isn't creating a black hole, he is just opening up a portal to the Kamui dimension, and Might Guy's situation of warping space is like the Espada warping space with attacks, we can physically see Might Guy but a black hole would be invisible, all that means is that he is moving really fast, neither feat is elaborated upon for both Yhwach and Kaguya, and finally the mind hax debate the Infinite Tsukuyomi won't even work on Aizen to begin with due to not working on souls, also if you want, you can use the statement from Mugetsu saying it surpasses everything in the verse and apply it to Kyoka since it did get a Mugetsu increase, so you can try to make a case for Kyoka as well. Now before anyone asks, no not going to debate Noodles, Noodles is the kind of guy to kick you out of his server whenever you have a point and interrupts you whenever you are trying to make an argument so no. 

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